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		<title>Comment on Democracy 2015: a symptom, not a solution by Graham Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s nothing cynical or sneering here, just very valid and serious criticisms.  There seems to be a fair amount of &quot;let&#039;s close our eyes and think happy thoughts&quot; thinking going on around this project.  This is a serious business and needs to be engaged with seriously, and James raises some very important and valid points.

The premise for the campaign is flawed and cynical, the methodology is pie in the sky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing cynical or sneering here, just very valid and serious criticisms.  There seems to be a fair amount of &#8220;let&#8217;s close our eyes and think happy thoughts&#8221; thinking going on around this project.  This is a serious business and needs to be engaged with seriously, and James raises some very important and valid points.</p>
<p>The premise for the campaign is flawed and cynical, the methodology is pie in the sky.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy 2015: a symptom, not a solution by Regarding Democracy 2015 &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.james-gray.org/democracy-2015/#comment-1384</link>
		<dc:creator>Regarding Democracy 2015 &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy 2015: a symptom, not a solution by Democracy 2015&#8230; a campaign that feels like a Jigsaw with some pieces missing&#8230; : Voices</title>
		<link>http://www.james-gray.org/democracy-2015/#comment-1380</link>
		<dc:creator>Democracy 2015&#8230; a campaign that feels like a Jigsaw with some pieces missing&#8230; : Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 21:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy 2015: a symptom, not a solution by James</title>
		<link>http://www.james-gray.org/democracy-2015/#comment-1379</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 14:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Andreas

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my concerns.

I realise you&#039;re not calling for an *unelected* technocratic government, but it does seem you want to replace politicians with managers - far from restoring British democracy, I think this would undermine it further. At the very least, you could aim to attract candidates from all walks of life, not just entrepreneurs, headteachers and managers.

As for the policy process, I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m still unconvinced. You&#039;re asking people to put time, effort and money into a political movement that has no core values or principles (if you do, then you should make them explicit and use them as a basis for policy discussions).

Thanks for the additional info on the campaign team. I have no wish to discourage them but (as the Democracy 2015 Twitter account confirmed to me) they are mostly unpaid interns. This seems pretty hypocritical - the internship system is one of the reasons we have so many &#039;career politicians&#039;.

On your finances - collecting small donations from supporters doesn&#039;t sound like a viable fundraising strategy to me. If you&#039;re going to do this properly, you&#039;ll need major funding from somewhere - whether that&#039;s wealthy individuals or charitable trusts.

I&#039;m glad you&#039;re going to make contact with other democracy organisations. There&#039;s a wealth of campaigning experience out there - I hope you make use of it.

Thanks again for replying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andreas</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to respond to my concerns.</p>
<p>I realise you&#8217;re not calling for an *unelected* technocratic government, but it does seem you want to replace politicians with managers &#8211; far from restoring British democracy, I think this would undermine it further. At the very least, you could aim to attract candidates from all walks of life, not just entrepreneurs, headteachers and managers.</p>
<p>As for the policy process, I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m still unconvinced. You&#8217;re asking people to put time, effort and money into a political movement that has no core values or principles (if you do, then you should make them explicit and use them as a basis for policy discussions).</p>
<p>Thanks for the additional info on the campaign team. I have no wish to discourage them but (as the Democracy 2015 Twitter account confirmed to me) they are mostly unpaid interns. This seems pretty hypocritical &#8211; the internship system is one of the reasons we have so many &#8216;career politicians&#8217;.</p>
<p>On your finances &#8211; collecting small donations from supporters doesn&#8217;t sound like a viable fundraising strategy to me. If you&#8217;re going to do this properly, you&#8217;ll need major funding from somewhere &#8211; whether that&#8217;s wealthy individuals or charitable trusts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re going to make contact with other democracy organisations. There&#8217;s a wealth of campaigning experience out there &#8211; I hope you make use of it.</p>
<p>Thanks again for replying.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy 2015: a symptom, not a solution by Andreas WHITTAM SMITH</title>
		<link>http://www.james-gray.org/democracy-2015/#comment-1378</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas WHITTAM SMITH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 13:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Andreas Whittam Smith, Democracy 2015
Thank you for your comments on the launch of Democracy 2015.   May I reply to your comments?    I am not proposing the installation of an unelected technocratic government in the UK.   That would mean that the UK was a failed state.   No, what I want to see is competent non-politicians elected to parliament in the traditional manner – by winning majorities in individual constituencies.
Two points about the difficult policy areas such as immigration.     I believe, first of all, that the quality of our discussions and the expertise that we shall be able to deploy will be quite the equal of those marshaled by the political parties.   I don’t claim that this is unique quality that we alone possess but, rather, that it can be done if you set your mind to it.   Second, in due course I envisage that Democracy 2015 policies would have to voted upon by all participants and that the required majority for approval would be 60 per cent.

The campaign team comprises recent graduates with a 50-50 split between men and women; they come from all over the country.   I selected them blind, relying solely on how how well they answered my email question asking them to comments on the strengths and weaknesses of the proposal.     Why don’t you come to see us?   You would be vey welcome.   
As to finance, we propose to fund ourselves by collecting small donations, maximum £50, from supporters.
You also correctly observe that there are a number of organisations and charities already out there trying to reverse the democratic deficit.  Indeed we have identified ten such bodies with which we shortly make contact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Andreas Whittam Smith, Democracy 2015<br />
Thank you for your comments on the launch of Democracy 2015.   May I reply to your comments?    I am not proposing the installation of an unelected technocratic government in the UK.   That would mean that the UK was a failed state.   No, what I want to see is competent non-politicians elected to parliament in the traditional manner – by winning majorities in individual constituencies.<br />
Two points about the difficult policy areas such as immigration.     I believe, first of all, that the quality of our discussions and the expertise that we shall be able to deploy will be quite the equal of those marshaled by the political parties.   I don’t claim that this is unique quality that we alone possess but, rather, that it can be done if you set your mind to it.   Second, in due course I envisage that Democracy 2015 policies would have to voted upon by all participants and that the required majority for approval would be 60 per cent.</p>
<p>The campaign team comprises recent graduates with a 50-50 split between men and women; they come from all over the country.   I selected them blind, relying solely on how how well they answered my email question asking them to comments on the strengths and weaknesses of the proposal.     Why don’t you come to see us?   You would be vey welcome.<br />
As to finance, we propose to fund ourselves by collecting small donations, maximum £50, from supporters.<br />
You also correctly observe that there are a number of organisations and charities already out there trying to reverse the democratic deficit.  Indeed we have identified ten such bodies with which we shortly make contact.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy 2015: a symptom, not a solution by Jimmy Burke</title>
		<link>http://www.james-gray.org/democracy-2015/#comment-1377</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is a slightly cynical and sneery piece.  The spirit of this D2015 idea is wonderful - truly embracing a consultative and participative democracy.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the case at all that one should have one&#039;s policy direction sorted before going to the people at all.
  Yes, there are many issues and unanswered questions with the D2015 proposal, but just slagging it off and ruling it out is either lazy, or obtuse.  Why exactly does Gray think the awful status quo of preferable.  Fishy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a slightly cynical and sneery piece.  The spirit of this D2015 idea is wonderful &#8211; truly embracing a consultative and participative democracy.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the case at all that one should have one&#8217;s policy direction sorted before going to the people at all.<br />
  Yes, there are many issues and unanswered questions with the D2015 proposal, but just slagging it off and ruling it out is either lazy, or obtuse.  Why exactly does Gray think the awful status quo of preferable.  Fishy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy 2015: a symptom, not a solution by Steve Ford</title>
		<link>http://www.james-gray.org/democracy-2015/#comment-1375</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bit harsh.

I can foresee a confederacy of Independents forming a government and proceeding with a deliberative democratic process. 

What needs to happen, as you hint, is to spread the net wide and involve all of those who are already doing their own thing in anticipation of 2015 - I&#039;d add The Independent Network for example. Unfragmenting (not perhaps an ideal term but bear with me) the disparate elements and melding the popular sentiment that favours change into an electable group ought not to be beyond us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit harsh.</p>
<p>I can foresee a confederacy of Independents forming a government and proceeding with a deliberative democratic process. </p>
<p>What needs to happen, as you hint, is to spread the net wide and involve all of those who are already doing their own thing in anticipation of 2015 &#8211; I&#8217;d add The Independent Network for example. Unfragmenting (not perhaps an ideal term but bear with me) the disparate elements and melding the popular sentiment that favours change into an electable group ought not to be beyond us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Councils still sending staff on discredited NLP courses by Ian Winters</title>
		<link>http://www.james-gray.org/councils-sending-staff-discredited-nlp-courses/#comment-1373</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well sorry your evidence doesn&#039;t measure up Artur.  

I think this is actually a win win of a sort.  You, Artur, got a chance to try to promote your business.  And you provided everyone else with a hysterical example of pseudo-scientific posturing.  

With your behaviour, criticisms of existing reviews, and lack of solid evidence managed to fit neuro-linguistic programming into this profile perfectly:
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/pratkanis.htm

You gave us a chance to see all the other pseudo-scientific therapies you have enrolled in:  http://www.krolartur.com/narzdzia-zmiany

And especially with your attempt to reverse burden of proof and your attacks on critics, you fit the Lilienfeld characteristics of pseudo-scientific thinking very well:
http://www.lscp.net/persons/dupoux/teaching/JOURNEE_AUTOMNE_CogMaster_2011-12/docs/Lilienfeld_2004_Teaching_PseudoScience.pdf

If you want to really make your mark as a pseudo-scientist though, just think to yourself &quot;What would Andy do in this situation?&quot;
https://sites.google.com/site/nlpthepseudoscience/typical-nlp-flimflam/quacker-no1-andy-bradbury

Thanks for the performance!

BTW, those articles explain pretty well why HR departments can be conned into falling for such neuro-babble and flimflam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well sorry your evidence doesn&#8217;t measure up Artur.  </p>
<p>I think this is actually a win win of a sort.  You, Artur, got a chance to try to promote your business.  And you provided everyone else with a hysterical example of pseudo-scientific posturing.  </p>
<p>With your behaviour, criticisms of existing reviews, and lack of solid evidence managed to fit neuro-linguistic programming into this profile perfectly:<br />
<a href="http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/pratkanis.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/pratkanis.htm</a></p>
<p>You gave us a chance to see all the other pseudo-scientific therapies you have enrolled in:  <a href="http://www.krolartur.com/narzdzia-zmiany" rel="nofollow">http://www.krolartur.com/narzdzia-zmiany</a></p>
<p>And especially with your attempt to reverse burden of proof and your attacks on critics, you fit the Lilienfeld characteristics of pseudo-scientific thinking very well:<br />
<a href="http://www.lscp.net/persons/dupoux/teaching/JOURNEE_AUTOMNE_CogMaster_2011-12/docs/Lilienfeld_2004_Teaching_PseudoScience.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.lscp.net/persons/dupoux/teaching/JOURNEE_AUTOMNE_CogMaster_2011-12/docs/Lilienfeld_2004_Teaching_PseudoScience.pdf</a></p>
<p>If you want to really make your mark as a pseudo-scientist though, just think to yourself &#8220;What would Andy do in this situation?&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://sites.google.com/site/nlpthepseudoscience/typical-nlp-flimflam/quacker-no1-andy-bradbury" rel="nofollow">https://sites.google.com/site/nlpthepseudoscience/typical-nlp-flimflam/quacker-no1-andy-bradbury</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the performance!</p>
<p>BTW, those articles explain pretty well why HR departments can be conned into falling for such neuro-babble and flimflam.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Councils still sending staff on discredited NLP courses by Artur Krol</title>
		<link>http://www.james-gray.org/councils-sending-staff-discredited-nlp-courses/#comment-1372</link>
		<dc:creator>Artur Krol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you know, the prediction was correct :) Just ignore the article list with an appeal to authority and the -unfounded - cherry-picking claim. Brilliant :) 

Bye, bye, mr. duck. Keep on quacking, I&#039;m done wasting time on you :)

OTH, if James or some other person actually interested in a debate comes up, I&#039;ll be happy to participate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you know, the prediction was correct <img src='http://www.james-gray.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Just ignore the article list with an appeal to authority and the -unfounded &#8211; cherry-picking claim. Brilliant <img src='http://www.james-gray.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Bye, bye, mr. duck. Keep on quacking, I&#8217;m done wasting time on you <img src='http://www.james-gray.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>OTH, if James or some other person actually interested in a debate comes up, I&#8217;ll be happy to participate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Councils still sending staff on discredited NLP courses by Ian Winters</title>
		<link>http://www.james-gray.org/councils-sending-staff-discredited-nlp-courses/#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, you don&#039;t recommend some of them, but you do recommend something called neuro-linguistic programming.  

You recommend them based upon your cherry picked and quite laughable set of articles.  Do we take your pick as a neuro-linguistic programmer and pusher of other such pseudo-sciences, or do we take the reviews of independent published researchers such as Sharpley, Norcross et al, Witkowski and Druckman et al?

Mmm!  Let me think!  

Well first up a lot of your refs there are from minor or fringe subjects, such as Journal of Accelerative Learning and Teaching.  They push as much woo as you.  

The Tosey refs are funny.  He&#039;s another one with vested financial interests.  He&#039;s a neuro-linguistic programmer/lecturer who seems to think he can prove NLP works because some people like it.  

Sorry, but those guys got well and truly squashed here:
http://gjarhe.research.glam.ac.uk/media/files/documents/2009-07-17/JARHE_V1.2_Jul09_Web_pp57-63.pdf

Notice Rodrique Davies also calls neuro-linguistic programming a pseudo-scientific title.

Its interesting to note that you don&#039;t even list Sharpley 1987 here:
http://www.krolartur.com/artykuly/167

Just as above, you rather glossed over that one, trying to make believe that Einspruch and foreman was the last word on Sharpley 1984.  Again, was that confirmation bias, or just a deliberate attempt to blinker the reader towards your bias?

So as before, of course homeopathy has some supporting studies, but just like neuro-linguistic programming it fails overall.  The pushers ignore the overall and narrow the reader just like you have attempted.

HR departments often don&#039;t see the scam.  

Feel free to continue with your fatuous attempts at character assassination.  You are adding to the list of pseudo-scientific characteristics of neuro-linguistic programmers very nicely, and turning out to be a pretty comprehensive exemplar of pseudo-scientific thinking yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, you don&#8217;t recommend some of them, but you do recommend something called neuro-linguistic programming.  </p>
<p>You recommend them based upon your cherry picked and quite laughable set of articles.  Do we take your pick as a neuro-linguistic programmer and pusher of other such pseudo-sciences, or do we take the reviews of independent published researchers such as Sharpley, Norcross et al, Witkowski and Druckman et al?</p>
<p>Mmm!  Let me think!  </p>
<p>Well first up a lot of your refs there are from minor or fringe subjects, such as Journal of Accelerative Learning and Teaching.  They push as much woo as you.  </p>
<p>The Tosey refs are funny.  He&#8217;s another one with vested financial interests.  He&#8217;s a neuro-linguistic programmer/lecturer who seems to think he can prove NLP works because some people like it.  </p>
<p>Sorry, but those guys got well and truly squashed here:<br />
<a href="http://gjarhe.research.glam.ac.uk/media/files/documents/2009-07-17/JARHE_V1.2_Jul09_Web_pp57-63.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://gjarhe.research.glam.ac.uk/media/files/documents/2009-07-17/JARHE_V1.2_Jul09_Web_pp57-63.pdf</a></p>
<p>Notice Rodrique Davies also calls neuro-linguistic programming a pseudo-scientific title.</p>
<p>Its interesting to note that you don&#8217;t even list Sharpley 1987 here:<br />
<a href="http://www.krolartur.com/artykuly/167" rel="nofollow">http://www.krolartur.com/artykuly/167</a></p>
<p>Just as above, you rather glossed over that one, trying to make believe that Einspruch and foreman was the last word on Sharpley 1984.  Again, was that confirmation bias, or just a deliberate attempt to blinker the reader towards your bias?</p>
<p>So as before, of course homeopathy has some supporting studies, but just like neuro-linguistic programming it fails overall.  The pushers ignore the overall and narrow the reader just like you have attempted.</p>
<p>HR departments often don&#8217;t see the scam.  </p>
<p>Feel free to continue with your fatuous attempts at character assassination.  You are adding to the list of pseudo-scientific characteristics of neuro-linguistic programmers very nicely, and turning out to be a pretty comprehensive exemplar of pseudo-scientific thinking yourself.</p>
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